What is Paul talking about here?Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.
That is a great link, Philip!Philip wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:50 pm And here (https://nakedbiblepodcast.com/wp-conten ... -Saved.pdf) is a helpful text version breaking down the above four views that "All Israel will be saved."
It’s official...they’ve reached herd immunity.all Israel will be saved.
One other quick point...31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly My disciples; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, ‘You will become free’?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 Now the slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you really will be free. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you are seeking to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak of the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus *said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40 But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born as a result of sexual immorality; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for I have not even come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I say the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 The one who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
"All" Israel is at the far right hand side of the picture.
Yes, because salvation is by faith, not race as it was before. Ephesians 2 says it all.Philip wrote:... a large, BELIEVING remnant will eventually embrace Jesus as Messiah, before Jesus comes back. But the idea of some, concerning the Jews - "If you're a Jew, you're IN!" - simply cannot be reconciled with Scripture.
"You who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone."
Actually...Ged wrote:
Yes, because salvation is by faith, not race as it was before. Ephesians 2 says it all.
Above is the part I agree 1000% with
This is my slight quibble...in the coming Messiah.
According to Genesis 15:6, Abraham was made righteous through faith in YHWH (see Romans 4).6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He credited it to him as righteousness.
I’m not sure where you’re disagreeing with me. You’d agree that the OT law and the sacrifices point forward to Jesus Christ, right?DBowling wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:35 pm I absolutely agree with 98% of your post... but let me quibble slightly with the 2%...
Above is the part I agree 1000% with
This is my slight quibble...in the coming Messiah.
Let's look at the classic example of Abraham in Genesis 15:6According to Genesis 15:6, Abraham was made righteous through faith in YHWH (see Romans 4).6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He credited it to him as righteousness.
So the object of saving faith in the OT was God/YHWH.
And the object of saving faith in the NT is the same as it was in the OT.
The difference is that in the NT, God/YHWH took human flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.
So the object of saving faith in the OT and NT are the same, YHWH/Jesus, who are the same one true God.
Absolutely...RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:42 pmI’m not sure where you’re disagreeing with me. You’d agree that the OT law and the sacrifices point forward to Jesus Christ, right?DBowling wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:35 pm I absolutely agree with 98% of your post... but let me quibble slightly with the 2%...
Above is the part I agree 1000% with
This is my slight quibble...in the coming Messiah.
Let's look at the classic example of Abraham in Genesis 15:6According to Genesis 15:6, Abraham was made righteous through faith in YHWH (see Romans 4).6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He credited it to him as righteousness.
So the object of saving faith in the OT was God/YHWH.
And the object of saving faith in the NT is the same as it was in the OT.
The difference is that in the NT, God/YHWH took human flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.
So the object of saving faith in the OT and NT are the same, YHWH/Jesus, who are the same one true God.
Again we fully agree...And Christ’s death and resurrection made it possible for any who trust in him, to have eternal life, right?
Yes... But...After Christ, we look back at what he did. Before Christ came in the flesh, the OT saints looked forward to the promise of a coming savior.
Again we agree...It’s the same gospel. There wasn’t a different gospel for OT saints, correct?
I agree. And I think this is important.DBowling wrote:
The OT saints had only a shadow that pointed to a future Savior.
Looking back we now have a clear understanding of what YHWH/Jesus did to save us, but the OT saints did not have that same understanding of the nature and work of the future Savior.
I think Abram actually did put his faith in the coming Savior. He may not have fully understood, as you said above. To make my point, look at Galatians 3.DBowling wrote:
In Genesis 15:6, Abraham did not put his faith in a Savior that would appear at some unknown time in the future.
In Genesis 15:6, Abraham put his faith in the YHWH who had revealed himself to him at that point in time.
Abram was declared righteous because he believed God’s promise. And as Galatians shows, The seed referred to in God’s promise to Abraham, is Christ.16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.