Evidence for God from Science

Tiresome cerberus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:26 am ...

Still disappointed. Nothing but strawmen strawmen everywhere. Please try again, unless the real reason you don't respond to my actual points is that you just don't have an answer...

No, the real reason is that I just don’t get involved with hostile people.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:24 pm

Tiresome cerberus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:26 am ...

Still disappointed. Nothing but strawmen strawmen everywhere. Please try again, unless the real reason you don't respond to my actual points is that you just don't have an answer...

No, the real reason is that I just don’t get involved with hostile people.

Well best shut down your computer then and stay away from the internet because the internet is full of hostile people

But my initial comments weren't hostile towards you so I'm afraid you just making excuses. But you can do that to if you like, just don't pretend it's true.

Oh and you must really dislike Obama's pastor then as he is incredibly hostile

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:24 pm

Tiresome cerberus wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:26 am ...

Still disappointed. Nothing but strawmen strawmen everywhere. Please try again, unless the real reason you don't respond to my actual points is that you just don't have an answer...

No, the real reason is that I just don’t get involved with hostile people.

Is that why you moved out of Mon-tray-all?

Stewing in bitterness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:28 am

Well best shut down your computer then and stay away from the internet because the internet is full of hostile people

But my initial comments weren't hostile towards you so I'm afraid you just making excuses. But you can do that to if you like, just don't pretend it's true.

Oh and you must really dislike Obama's pastor then as he is incredibly hostile

1. I visit well moderated sites on the Internet, those with little tolerance for those inclined to Internet rage.

2. I don’t remember your initial comments. I stop reading the minute I sense gobbledygook.

3. I don’t care about Obama’s pastor one way or another.

You need to relax. Ask your doctor to prescribe a relaxant.

Help! Trump cut my food stamps! wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:00 am
Is that why you moved out of Mon-tray-all?

Montreal isn’t dangerous; it’s an inoffensive backwater town. Detroit is the most dangerous city I’ve visited. It looks like a Third World shithole in many places. Paris is like that too in some districts.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:37 am

Stewing in bitterness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:28 am

Well best shut down your computer then and stay away from the internet because the internet is full of hostile people

But my initial comments weren't hostile towards you so I'm afraid you just making excuses. But you can do that to if you like, just don't pretend it's true.

Oh and you must really dislike Obama's pastor then as he is incredibly hostile

1. I visit well moderated sites on the Internet, those with little tolerance for those inclined to Internet rage.

2. I don’t remember your initial comments. I stop reading the minute I sense gobbledygook.

3. I don’t care about Obama’s pastor one way or another.

You need to relax. Ask your doctor to prescribe a relaxant.

You said Obama and Bush had integrity and were good presidents. I disagreed. You hid under a bush without an answer and instead called me angry...

Oh and you should care about Obama's pastor as it reflects on Obama as a person.

I’ve taken a Valium and have calmed down wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:10 am
Oh and you should care about Obama's pastor as it reflects on Obama as a person.

Obama’s pastor is just as irrelevant as Trump’s. People in power - political or otherwise - do certain things and go to certain places to be seen and to further their objectives. I know three VIPs, one in politics, one in the arts and one in business, and all three have told me how they must be seen at all kinds of events. Almost all of their free time is taken up with official socializing at various functions. They don’t go to such events because they want to but because it’s expected of them.

Obama’s mother, now she’s relevant. If she’s a hooker or a drug addict that would be significant. She reflects on Obama as a person.

Stu wrote:
Oh and you should care about Obama's pastor as it reflects on Obama as a person.

In that case, what does it say about Trump, seeing that Paula White is his pastor?

Hoist by your own petard!

I SEE THE LIGHT! wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:35 pm

Stu wrote:
Oh and you should care about Obama's pastor as it reflects on Obama as a person.

In that case, what does it say about Trump, seeing that Paula White is his pastor?

Hoist by your own petard!

You’re agreeing with me. Are you ill? Have you eaten rotten meat from the dumpster again?

Fliegender wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:33 pm

I SEE THE LIGHT! wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:35 pm

Stu wrote:
Oh and you should care about Obama's pastor as it reflects on Obama as a person.

In that case, what does it say about Trump, seeing that Paula White is his pastor?

Hoist by your own petard!

You’re agreeing with me. Are you ill? Have you eaten rotten meat from the dumpster again?

Actually, I think I’m agreeing with Stu. We probably can judges person’s beliefs, or even motives of his beliefs, by the pastor who is teaching him. At least to some degree.

Since neither Obama nor Trump disavowed their pastors’ teachings, what does that say?

Ben talks really fast...and no, that's not just because I'm slow

He could do auctions...

On another note...got to love the irony.. saying you don't get involved with hostile people is kinda hostile

I was blind and now I’m wearing rose-coloured glasses! wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:24 pm
Actually, I think I’m agreeing with Stu. We probably can judges person’s beliefs, or even motives of his beliefs, by the pastor who is teaching him. At least to some degree.

Since neither Obama nor Trump disavowed their pastors’ teachings, what does that say?

Agreeing with Stew? ...dementia has set in if you believe either Obama and Trump are influenced by some ugly pastor or pretty pastorette.

FlieG: "...dementia has set in if you believe either Obama and Trump are influenced by some ugly pastor or pretty pastorette."

Absolutely! Both preachers were spewing bad stuff - racism from one, along with false, prosperity teachings from the other. So, whether either politician ever truly bought into their preacher's bad teachings, what both presidents most hoped to get out of their associations was the cultivation of friendly voters that strongly identified with their preachers.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:19 pm

I’ve taken a Valium and have calmed down wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:10 am
Oh and you should care about Obama's pastor as it reflects on Obama as a person.

Obama’s pastor is just as irrelevant as Trump’s. People in power - political or otherwise - do certain things and go to certain places to be seen and to further their objectives. I know three VIPs, one in politics, one in the arts and one in business, and all three have told me how they must be seen at all kinds of events. Almost all of their free time is taken up with official socializing at various functions. They don’t go to such events because they want to but because it’s expected of them.

Obama’s mother, now she’s relevant. If she’s a hooker or a drug addict that would be significant. She reflects on Obama as a person.

There's a difference. Let me put it this way.

Do you go to church? Let's pretend you do.
Let's say your old pastor retired and a new guy took over. He starts off well but soon goes on rants about black people and stirs racial divide in his sermons.

Would you stay in such a church? Let alone stay in it for years on end?

I know I wouldn't and surely any right minded person probably wouldn't either, but what say you?

I know I listen to pastors that preach stuff that resonates with me otherwise I wouldn't listen, in other words if he started preaching hate and racism I most definitely would not listen anymore. Why do you listen to a specific pastor, surely he has got to resonate with you?

Stu: Why do you listen to a specific pastor, surely he has got to resonate with you?

True, Stu. So, the question should become, for us all - what is our measure of proper teachings vs. dangerous / false ones? Mine is Scripture. Where is a preacher in sync with Scripture, where does he deviate, and when he reasonably speculates is it within the parameters that Scripture allows - and even that doesn't make something certain. And when a pastor is merely giving personal opinion, they need to state that's what he's giving.