Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

[Kenny]

What do you mean eventually?
They eventually came into being ?

I mean the living creatures were not always intelligent and conscious but eventually evolved to become that way

So, intelligence came into being when humans became intelligent?

What do you mean by "came into being"?

It didn't exist before did it ?

I don't believe intelligence existed before people existed.

[PaulSacramento]

I mean the living creatures were not always intelligent and conscious but eventually evolved to become that way

So, intelligence came into being when humans became intelligent?

What do you mean by "came into being"?

It didn't exist before did it ?

I don't believe intelligence existed before people existed.

So where did it come from?

[Kenny]

So, intelligence came into being when humans became intelligent?

What do you mean by "came into being"?

It didn't exist before did it ?

I don't believe intelligence existed before people existed.

So where did it come from?

Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

[Philip]

Ken: Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

There is ZERO intelligence without a thinking being. The assembling of they universe took a massive intelligence - nothing else can explain it!

[PaulSacramento]

What do you mean by "came into being"?

It didn't exist before did it ?

I don't believe intelligence existed before people existed.

So where did it come from?

Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

So, intelligence is dependent on the existence of something intelligent and until something intelligent arises, there is no intelligence, correct?
So where did something intelligent come from?

[Kenny]

Ken: Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

There is ZERO intelligence without a thinking being. The assembling of they universe took a massive intelligence - nothing else can explain it!

Oh so the Universe was assembled now? How do you know this?

[Kenny]

It didn't exist before did it ?

I don't believe intelligence existed before people existed.

So where did it come from?

Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

So, intelligence is dependent on the existence of something intelligent and until something intelligent arises, there is no intelligence, correct?
So where did something intelligent come from?

Part of the material world that resulted from the expansion of the Singularity

[Philip]

Ken: Oh so the Universe was assembled now? How do you know this?

Because what occurred could not happen unaided by intelligence - That's how! What, Ken, do you think things of stupendous design and functionality can be the result of non-intelligent things that have the ability to self-assemble what our best minds can scarcely understand? See, I have a reason to believe that is impossible, because there is zero evidence of non-intelligent things having even simple abilities requiring intelligence. But I guess you have great faith in blind things being able to instantly start building a universe? Of of having ANY self-driven awareness or capabilities?

[Kenny]

Ken: Oh so the Universe was assembled now? How do you know this?

Because what occurred could not happen unaided by intelligence - That's how! What, Ken, do you think things of stupendous design and functionality can be the result of non-intelligent things that have the ability to self-assemble what our best minds can scarcely understand? See, I have a reason to believe that is impossible, because there is zero evidence of non-intelligent things having even simple abilities requiring intelligence. But I guess you have great faith in blind things being able to instantly start building a universe? Of of having ANY self-driven awareness or capabilities?

Care to answer my question? Or are you just content answering questions nobody is asking.

[Philip]

Ken: Care to answer my question? Or are you just content answering questions nobody is asking.

I DID answer it! The universe had a beginning of it's assemblage / organization - it's what physicists overwhelming say. Do you deny it?

[Kenny]

Ken: Care to answer my question? Or are you just content answering questions nobody is asking.

I DID answer it! The universe had a beginning of it's assemblage / organization - it's what physicists overwhelming say. Do you deny it?

Yes I do deny. The Big Bang theory is what physicists overwhelming agree on. This theory claims the entirety of the Universe was comprised of a Singularity which eventually expanded to become what we now know as the Universe today. This theory does not claim the origin of the Universe, it does not claim how the Universe came into being, and it does not claim the Universe was assembled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

[Philip]

Ken, Big Bang cosmology most certainly does assert what happened at the beginning of the Big Bang. You'd have to be totally ignorant to not realize this! BTW, you might want to actually read the Wikipedia link you posted! And your singularity precedes the beginning events of the organization - do you not understand this?

Also, are you asserting that singularity itself is THE Intelligence behind the universe? Because you've been arguing that there was not intelligence required. The source is not the issue, at this point. What matters is you finally realize that what happened as the Big Bang began required intelligence - and for argument's sake, it matters not what we call it.

OK, Ken, in just seconds after the Big Bang Began (from http://why-sci.com): "Then, the period of standard cosmology began .01 seconds after the big bang. Here, protons and neutrons are fully formed. After a full second, the nuclei of light elements like hydrogen, helium, and lithium were forming..." Etc!

Ken, you need to try to catch up and actually read - don't just send links to Wikipedia stuff you clearly don't understand!

So, back to my questions - do you deny an intelligence was there before the Big Bang began? Do you think Singularity itself contained this Intelligence?

[Kenny]

Ken, Big Bang cosmology most certainly does assert what happened at the beginning of the Big Bang. You'd have to be totally ignorant to not realize this!

The big bang is the expansion of the Singularity. The beginning of the Big Bang would be when things began to expand right? So what are you claiming I do not understand?

BTW, you might want to actually read the Wikipedia link you posted! And your singularity precedes the beginning events of the organization - do you not understand this?

What Organization are you talking about? I don’t understand what you are saying here.

Also, are you asserting that singularity itself is THE Intelligence behind the universe?

When did I ever assert an intelligence behind the Universe? That sounds like something YOU would assert.

Because you've been arguing that there was not intelligence required. The source is not the issue, at this point. What matters is you finally realize that what happened as the Big Bang began required intelligence - and for argument's sake, it matters not what we call it.

Again; how do you know it required intelligence?

OK, Ken, in just seconds after the Big Bang Began (from http://why-sci.com): "Then, the period of standard cosmology began .01 seconds after the big bang. Here, protons and neutrons are fully formed. After a full second, the nuclei of light elements like hydrogen, helium, and lithium were forming..." Etc!

Again; other than faith, how do you know intelligence was involved?

Ken, you need to try to catch up and actually read - don't just send links to Wikipedia stuff you clearly don't understand!

What you are saying would make more sense if you were to actually point to something in the link I sent, that refutes anything I said.

So, back to my questions - do you deny an intelligence was there before the Big Bang began? Do you think Singularity itself contained this Intelligence?

Again; I do not believe an intelligence was there before the Big Bang began; and neither does Science.

[PaulSacramento]

I don't believe intelligence existed before people existed.

So where did it come from?

Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

So, intelligence is dependent on the existence of something intelligent and until something intelligent arises, there is no intelligence, correct?
So where did something intelligent come from?

Part of the material world that resulted from the expansion of the Singularity

So intelligence is material?

[Kenny]

So where did it come from?

Intelligence only exists in the context of something else. Without that something else, there is no intelligence; so when you ask where did intelligence come from, you are asking where did that something else that is described as intelligent (among other things) come from.

So, intelligence is dependent on the existence of something intelligent and until something intelligent arises, there is no intelligence, correct?
So where did something intelligent come from?

Part of the material world that resulted from the expansion of the Singularity

So intelligence is material?

No; intelligence is one of many descriptions of specific things that are material.